109: Lucinda Gaines
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About This Episode
Today, we dive deep into the journey of an artist, the intimate dance between pain and creativity, and how these seemingly opposing forces can shape one's perspective. Our guest, Lucinda Gaines, bravely sheds light on her personal struggle with a recent life upheaval and how she channels it into her art. We explore the complex realm of value, both in the tangible sense of pricing artwork and the intangible worth of self. And as AI continues to reshape our world, where does the human touch stand? Join us on this emotional voyage as we uncover the nuances of Lucinda's artful experience.
About Our Guest
Lucinda Gaines has dedicated her life to the realm of visual representation. From her formative years as an artist and graphic designer to her notable tenure in the remote sensing domain and subsequent role as a marketing aficionado in the geospatial sector, Lucinda's fascination with the evocative potential of images is evident. She is unceasing in her pursuit to find the optimal visual medium to relay intricate ideas and profound emotions. Whether crafting a piece of art, conceptualizing a website design, or delving deep into data analytics, Lucinda's unwavering passion propels her to incessantly hone her skills, embrace novel techniques, and transcend the conventional limits of visual communication. Learn more about Lucinda here
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TAE-109-Lucinda Gaines
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[00:00:00] Jude Schweppe: Hi there, I'm Jude Schweppe
[00:00:04] Gabe Ratliff: And I'm Gabe Ratliff.
[00:00:05] Jude Schweppe: Welcome to the Artful Experience, where we have conversations with creative entrepreneurs and business owners, giving them as much support and value as we can pack into 60 Minutes.
[00:00:15] Gabe Ratliff: So tell us, what's been keeping you up at night? What's been nagging at you?
[00:00:20] Jude Schweppe: What challenges are you facing in your business that you could use some outside perspective on?
[00:00:25] Gabe Ratliff: Maybe you've got an amazing idea, but you're not sure how to bring it to life. We're here to help.
[00:00:31] Jude Schweppe: You bring the topic and we'll bring the ideas.
[00:00:34] Gabe Ratliff: Our goal is to give you clarity on your chosen topic and some exciting ideas that you can start implementing right away.
[00:00:45] Jude Schweppe: Today, we dive deep into the journey of an artist, the intimate dance between pain and creativity, and how these seemingly opposing forces can shape one's perspective. Our guest, Lucinda Gaines, bravely sheds light on her personal struggle with a recent life upheaval and how she channels it into her art. We explore the complex realm of value, both in the tangible sense of pricing artwork and the intangible worth of self. And as AI continues to reshape our world, where does the human touch stand? Join us on this emotional voyage as we uncover the nuances of Lucinda's artful experience.
[00:01:26] Welcome to the artful experience. It's lovely to have you on our podcast on our show. Um, just to give you a little bit of a rundown of how. We're going to ask you to share, um, whatever's on your mind, whatever the topic is that you want to go through. And then we're going to ask you what feels important about that for you. And then we're going to see where you'd like to get by the end of this session. And then we'll sort of put some parameters around it to see how will we know if we've got there.
[00:01:56] And then Gabe and I will be sort of going backwards and forwards throughout the session. To brainstorm, share some ideas, share some insights and obviously ask you lots of questions so we can hopefully get you loads of clarity. Does that sound okay?
[00:02:11] Lucinda Gaines: sounds awesome.
[00:02:13] Jude Schweppe: Amazing. Amazing. So, would you like to share your topic for the session?
[00:02:19] What's on your mind at the moment and how can we support?
[00:02:24] Lucinda Gaines: so I think I want to talk about, uh, finding inspiration through, uh, painful times in life.
[00:02:31] Jude Schweppe: What a juicy, wonderful, interesting topic. Love it.
[00:02:37] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah,
[00:02:38] Jude Schweppe: Love it. And what's brought this topic up for you? Can you give us a little bit of background or backstory to it?
[00:02:46] Lucinda Gaines: so, uh, I just, um, got a divorce and so for the last year and a half, um, I've just been kind of working through, um, that pain and letting go and then trying to focus on the future. And finding inspiration, um, throughout the way in that process,
[00:03:12] Jude Schweppe: Okay. And can you talk to us a little bit more about what you mean when you say inspiration? What kind of inspiration are you looking for? Is it to do with your work? Is it personal life? Is it holistic? A combination of both?
[00:03:25] Lucinda Gaines: I believe it's a combination of both, um, within, uh, my artwork and what I'm doing there and how to take it to the next level. And then also, um, trying to launch me as an artist into the world and, um. Starting from probably the bottom and working my way up,
[00:03:49] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So what feels important about this topic for you right now?
[00:03:55] Lucinda Gaines: I think it's because it's most on my mind. That's right now. Um, what I'm focusing on.
[00:04:01] Jude Schweppe: okay. So taking up a lot of headspace.
[00:04:04] Lucinda Gaines: Yes, very much. So,
[00:04:07] Jude Schweppe: Okay. And where would you like to get to by the end of this session?
[00:04:13] Lucinda Gaines: um, I think just a brainstorm ideas and have a good conversation that is back and forth. And, um, I know Gabe has been on my Facebook, and he's seen, you know, what I've been working on, and, um, kind of what I've been going through with everything. Um,
[00:04:39] Jude Schweppe: Okay, so just a little bit of clarity some ideas Feeling a little bit more uplifted and inspired by the end of our call and see what unfolds from there for you Okay, sounds awesome. Would you mind? By starting, um, by giving us just a bit of background to you as an artist, the kind of work that you do and what you love about what you do.
[00:05:03] Lucinda Gaines: Okay, um, so I have been doing art my whole life. you know, I picked up a crayon and just didn't, you know, put it down. Like, that was my... Way of, um, just dealing with a lot of stuff that, you know, happened growing up in my life. I, I was always focusing on art. It was my favorite subject in school. Um, and I didn't really think that I could do it as a career.
[00:05:38] Um, and of course, um, I thought, You know, I will I will take a career path. I will do my art on the side. I will have my life be fulfilled by that. Um, the kind of work that I'm doing now. I'm focusing on a lot of self portraits. Uh, when I first started out, um, painting was my, um. Preferred medium. But I also did a lot of digital work on the side as well.
[00:06:10] So I'm fairly versed in graphic design. a lot of my work was very abstract. And I got to a point where it was just very much my emotions just put down on the canvas. And I wanted to challenge myself. And so I was like, you know, I want to learn how to draw portraiture is better. And I feared the best way to do it is to focus on the face.
[00:06:39] I know the best. That was me.
[00:06:41] Jude Schweppe: Yeah.
[00:06:44] Lucinda Gaines: And I had an artist friend and he was like, keep going, just keep going, you know, all the masters all, you know, When they studied something, they did a deep dive, and so that's what I've been doing. just taking my self portraits and expanding on them.
[00:07:04] Jude Schweppe: Okay. And is this how you're earning your living at the moment? Is, is that the goal to earn a living from portraiture? What is it that you're kind of looking for in terms of your art?
[00:07:17] Lucinda Gaines: Looking to, uh, focus on portraiture. Uh, I have sold a couple of my self portraits. Um, I am not currently doing it full time. I, I've just been just focusing on just creating. So, yeah.
[00:07:37] Jude Schweppe: Just focusing on the creative practice.
[00:07:40] Lucinda Gaines: Yep.
[00:07:41] Jude Schweppe: Love it. And like you say, immersing yourself into that whole experience and learning, you know, and as artists, we are continually learning, you know, we've never reached that point where I know everything now, um, and nurturing the practice.
[00:07:52] Lucinda Gaines: No, exactly.
[00:07:55] Jude Schweppe: amazing how much the art changes, how our style changes, evolves and grows, you know, the more time we spend with it.
[00:08:04] Um, so if I was to say to you, Lucy, your ideal business in five years from now, your ideal creative artistic business in five years from now, what would it look like?
[00:08:18] Lucinda Gaines: Um, I want to be selling original artwork prints as well. Um, during the pandemic, I had my Etsy shop up and, um, got some sales that way. Um, I'm currently working on my own website as well, and so being able to, um, not sell so much through Etsy and, um, Spreadlist and stuff like that. Um, I've also been working on a lot of t shirt designs, so I want to do more with that as well.
[00:08:55] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So in five years, ideally you would be making your income completely from your original artwork, your prints and your t shirts. Yeah. And do you have a figure in mind in terms of what you would like to be earning each month or each year by the time we've reached ideal business point?
[00:09:16] Lucinda Gaines: Um, ideal business point. Enough to be able to sustain living on my own.
[00:09:25] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So you've got a figure in your head of what that would be.
[00:09:31] Lucinda Gaines: Kind of. Roughly.
[00:09:34] Jude Schweppe: Okay, so that, that might be your first piece of homework, if that's okay, um, to sit down and get really clear on the numbers. So, what would I like to be earning each month? And then, when you've got clear on that, breaking it down into, well, if I'm charging X for an original piece of artwork, I need to sell how many pieces of artwork, how many prints do I need to sell?
[00:09:57] And how many t shirts I need to sell. So do you currently have an idea of what your profitability is? Or are you just starting to get your head around the whole numbers in terms of what you sell things for?
[00:10:10] Lucinda Gaines: so I have my prints broken down, um, an eight by 10. I usually charge 15. Um, 11 by 14 is 20 and anything bigger than that would be, um, 16 by 18 and that would be 25. I am thinking that, um, that's a good price point that, oh, I've seen a lot of other. People do, um, for originals, um, depending on the size, I've been able to charge like 600 bucks. So kind of, um, not exactly sure if that's on the low end or if I need to go higher for that, but, um,
[00:10:57] Jude Schweppe: And how do those prices feel to you?
[00:11:01] Lucinda Gaines: I think it could charge more. I think I could charge more.
[00:11:06] Jude Schweppe: So how far can we push you on the prices to begin with?
[00:11:10] Lucinda Gaines: Um, let's see, probably 20 for the eight by tens and then going on up from that. And then maybe an original would be much more.
[00:11:24] Jude Schweppe: Okay, so how does 20 feel if you check in with your body and ask your body how 20 feel feels for Nikotin?
[00:11:33] Lucinda Gaines: it. It's good.
[00:11:34] Jude Schweppe: you're good with that. Okay. Okay.
[00:11:38] Lucinda Gaines: I believe I'm at the step where I've put in a lot of hours and time and, um, I'm really kind of honing in my craft that, um, I could probably ask for that amount.
[00:11:53] Jude Schweppe: Yeah, and like you said you've been nurturing your creative practice. You've been Deep diving. And you've been spending time with this. So, you know, I think I understand why people do it where they sort of look at the landscape and see, you know, what are other artists charging? What feels good. But I think that takes us away from the process of really sitting with what, what is my talent worth?
[00:12:16] What is my time worth? You know, what am I worth? Um, and we, and we tend to just fall, be way below that so often because we're trying to fit in with, you know, what everybody else is charging. Um, and there's something I always share with people when we come to the topic of money. 'cause money's a sticky subject, right?
[00:12:36] It's sticky for everybody regardless of what you're selling. But this was something that someone shared with me a couple of years ago, and I thought it was just such a good way of looking at. how different people respond to prices. And it's the idea that everybody has a set money price point for certain things.
[00:12:56] So some people won't pay less than, let's say, 5 for a cup of coffee. Some people wouldn't dream of spending 5 for a cup of coffee. And some people will only buy their coffee at home or will only make their coffee at home. They just wouldn't dream of going out and spending money on a coffee when they could do it at home.
[00:13:15] And it's the same for things like hotel rooms. You know, some people will only spend 500 a night. For some people, that's just way out of their price point. So, You know, kind of looking around at the landscape, you're always going to find people who are prepared to pay what you ask them because they love what you do.
[00:13:35] And that's where they kind of sit in terms of what value is and what they're happy to pay for. Um, does that make sense?
[00:13:45] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah, very much so very much. Um, I was thinking that, um, there's been a large majority of my life where I've had self doubt and didn't really value my worth. And now I'm, you know, coming out of that reasoning and say, No, I am. I am worth it. You know, um, I'm a human just like everybody else on the planet.
[00:14:12] Our talent should be worth something and shared. Um, I know a lot of artists may be concerned about AI and how that, uh, disrupts. You know, jobs that we have, and, you know, that's definitely concerning. So to be able to say, look, yes, AI is going to be here and we're going to all have to adapt, but at the same time, I think, um, there's great opportunities in that and as well as challenges with it, with everything in life.
[00:14:50] Jude Schweppe: Yeah, for sure. And I have this theory that when the AI bubble bursts, which I feel 100 percent sure it's going to, not necessarily that it's going to go away, but at the moment it's this new shiny thing and it's amazing and it's changing and evolving at a ridiculously fast pace. Like, we can't keep up.
[00:15:10] Here in the UK, the government is shitting itself for AI. And it's like, we need to pull the reins in on this.
[00:15:17] Lucinda Gaines: yeah, yeah,
[00:15:18] Jude Schweppe: so when, when that bubble has burst, I think people are really going to sort of come back around and value this sort of individuality and the originality of a piece of art that's that a human being has created because every single piece of art that you see is going to have something unique and something very personal about the artist in it.
[00:15:45] And that's what I will always pay for. Always. Always. It's the emotion. It's the story. It's the connection. It's something that, you know, resonates and speaks to me, speaks to my sensibilities. And I don't think that's something that AI is ever going to be able to replicate. Um, and I mean, I'm by no means an art expert.
[00:16:05] And I don't, you know, sort of have an inroad or sort of an insight into market trends within the artwork, the art world. Um, But I would imagine that original art is just going to go up in value, you know, as it becomes a rarer beast, if you like.
[00:16:23] Lucinda Gaines: yeah, exactly,
[00:16:25] Jude Schweppe: Yeah, and people like you are going to have the edge. Um, over people who are sitting making the use, you know, making good use of AI in what they're doing, but people are going to be honing in on what's the original thing.
[00:16:38] What's that original heartfelt piece that I want to have on my wall?
[00:16:41] Lucinda Gaines: yeah.
[00:16:42] Jude Schweppe: Um, so that's my sort of soapbox piece on AI. Gabe has his own thoughts on AI as well. Um, but just in terms of where you are. With the business now, Lucy, where do you, how far away does it feel this sort of five year ideal business model?
[00:17:01] Lucinda Gaines: I think it's, uh, sooner. I think it's, uh, coming up. Uh, I'm at a point in my career where, um, instead of looking for somebody to hire me, maybe I just need to hire myself.
[00:17:19] Jude Schweppe: I love that. I love that. Can you speak to that a little bit more? I need to hire myself.
[00:17:26] Lucinda Gaines: I need to hire myself. Like, I need to say, okay, I can do this. Here is my portfolio. I have one. Um, I have all these, you know, skills in my, um, toolbox that I can pull upon. I am more than capable of being able to say, hey, I could do this. I, I can, you know, put together a website. I can make a video. Um, I can also, you know, do something original like paint.
[00:18:02] Um,
[00:18:04] Gabe Ratliff: Can I ask a quick question?
[00:18:06] Lucinda Gaines: yeah, I gave
[00:18:07] Gabe Ratliff: Hi! I, I'm taking notes by the way, that's why I'm muted. Just so that you're aware, like, that's what I'm looking down doing. Um, I'm just furiously taking notes. So that's, this is how our practice works. Um, One of the questions I had was, and this is something I love to ask, especially people in our creative Realm, uh, who are doing this or want to do this as a business?
[00:18:36] What do you want to be known for?
[00:18:40] Lucinda Gaines: me, um, multimedia. I, I don't want to have to be, um, pigeonholed by one style, but I definitely want to be known for my self portraits, uh, just because I, I think I have roughly. Over a hundred of them that I have produced either digitally or in color pencil painting. Um, so most definitely I can, I could put together a show. I
[00:19:14] Jude Schweppe: Amazing. Is that something that is on the horizon? Having a gallery show.
[00:19:20] Lucinda Gaines: believe so. Yep.
[00:19:23] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So how, how far away from that are you?
[00:19:28] Lucinda Gaines: I would see if I. Put my butt in gear, probably within the year. Um, I reached out to a couple of my friends in the art world and, uh, kind of said, you know, interested in showing how would I go about, you know, approaching a gallery and asking them to show my work, you know, cause. The last time I showed my work, it was at a bar.
[00:19:58] And that was interesting in itself. And that was a lot of learning lessons, but, uh,
[00:20:05] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:20:06] Lucinda Gaines: I've definitely grown since then.
[00:20:08] Jude Schweppe: so by the end of 2023, we are going to be able to come along and see your artwork hanging in a gallery. And take a piece home with us and hang it somewhere in our home.
[00:20:20] Lucinda Gaines: Yes.
[00:20:21] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So, first steps. Let's talk milestones. Let's talk what needs to happen first to get this goal in motion. Get the dynamo going.
[00:20:33] Lucinda Gaines: Okay. Yep.
[00:20:35] Jude Schweppe: So, what's the first step for you?
[00:20:38] Lucinda Gaines: Um, the first step for me is, um, probably needing to put like a, uh, a stop on creating for a bit, um, and then starting to catalog everything that I have and. Just making and putting all that into a portfolio. Um, like I said before, um, I have my website up and I'm slowly populating it.
[00:21:06] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:21:07] Lucinda Gaines: So
[00:21:08] Jude Schweppe: So, When would you like to have all that done by? Or how long do you think it's going to take you to complete that first step?
[00:21:17] Lucinda Gaines: I want to say October
[00:21:19] Jude Schweppe: Okay,
[00:21:21] Lucinda Gaines: My deadline for that
[00:21:22] Jude Schweppe: okay. And how many pieces will you have in your portfolio? Do you have an idea?
[00:21:28] Lucinda Gaines: I have about
[00:21:30] Jude Schweppe: Okay,
[00:21:31] Lucinda Gaines: 50 that I at least 50 that I can show. Um,
[00:21:35] Jude Schweppe: okay. Um, so that takes us through the summer right to the beginning of fall. Do you have an idea of which galleries you'd like to show in?
[00:21:46] Lucinda Gaines: there's a couple that I have in mind.
[00:21:51] Jude Schweppe: Okay, any preferred one?
[00:21:54] Lucinda Gaines: Um, not a preferred one. I don't want to say cause I don't want to like, you know.
[00:22:01] Jude Schweppe: How would it feel to put it out there?
[00:22:03] Gabe Ratliff: Yeah. What if they hear this and they say, Ooh,
[00:22:05] Jude Schweppe: Yeah.
[00:22:08] Gabe Ratliff: that's the possibility.
[00:22:09] Lucinda Gaines: very intimidating to be like, yes, I want to show at Valerie's gallery.
[00:22:18] Jude Schweppe: Is that, is that where you want to show in Valerie's gallery?
[00:22:21] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah, that's one of the purposes.
[00:22:24] Jude Schweppe: Okay. I'm going to invite you to say that out loud, like you mean it, girl.
[00:22:31] Lucinda Gaines: Like, I mean, okay. Um, so I want to show in Valerie, um, salaries gallery. Um, she is located in Lakewood, Colorado. Um, over on, um, Teller and Alameda. Yeah.
[00:22:50] Jude Schweppe: Okay. And why are you drawn to this particular gallery?
[00:22:54] Lucinda Gaines: I believe Valerie and I have similar styles. Um, and Valerie is great. Um, she does, um, a lot of book carving and like little creatures and, um, portraitures, um, with books. And I, I think it's absolutely fantastic. And, um, so
[00:23:20] Jude Schweppe: So, Valerie, option one,
[00:23:23] Lucinda Gaines: Valerie option one, um, My friend Josh, uh, suggested, um, getting involved with, uh, 40 West, um, gallery as well, so.
[00:23:39] Jude Schweppe: that's two.
[00:23:40] Lucinda Gaines: That's two.
[00:23:41] Jude Schweppe: more you can think of?
[00:23:43] Lucinda Gaines: Uh, Spectra would be another one. And then the big, like, absolutely, like, over the top. Like goal would be like Meow Wolf is to have an installation in there.
[00:24:01] Jude Schweppe: why does that feel like a big, over the top, amazing goal?
[00:24:06] Lucinda Gaines: Um, because I've tried To do an installation in there before and I didn't get accepted so it just seems like a lot of people would want to get in there and show their artwork and I being one of them Um, and I know Meow Wolf is a huge, um, business and place and who knows? Who knows? It's a stretch goal.
[00:24:37] It's a stretch goal. It's on my mind. Um,
[00:24:42] Jude Schweppe: we like to call them big, hairy, audacious goals.
[00:24:46] Lucinda Gaines: yes.
[00:24:47] Jude Schweppe: So Mia Wolf is the big, hairy, audacious goal.
[00:24:51] Lucinda Gaines: Yes. Meow.
[00:24:54] Jude Schweppe: what would it mean to you, Lucy, to show in this gallery?
[00:25:00] Lucinda Gaines: Um, Meow Wolf or the other galleries?
[00:25:04] Jude Schweppe: In the big hairy audacious gallery.
[00:25:07] Lucinda Gaines: oh, the, uh, the Odysseus Gallery. Uh, um, I think that's when... It'll be a milestone. That'd be like something that I would be proud of and I know and I think even getting into like a gallery and showing is something I'll be proud of too. Like, I don't want to, you know, disregard anything, uh, I think showing work and, um, being able to say this is the reason why, you know, here's the dedication.
[00:25:49] Here's the time. Money spent, you know, having people believe in me. I mean, that's, that's, that's huge.
[00:26:02] Jude Schweppe: And what would it change for your career, do you think?
[00:26:06] Lucinda Gaines: Um, I think I would be well more known than I am now,
[00:26:11] Jude Schweppe: Mm hmm. Okay. And the impact of that would be?
[00:26:18] Lucinda Gaines: probably getting more opportunities to do more creative ideas, which would be awesome because I have tons.
[00:26:28] Jude Schweppe: Amazing. And then that leads back around to in five years time, you are supporting yourself.
[00:26:35] Lucinda Gaines: Yes. Yeah.
[00:26:37] Jude Schweppe: through your art. Okay. Awesome. Right. Let's, let's have that big hairy audacious goal and hold it. And hold it and think about it every day. Could I set you a little challenge, um, to create some kind of visual representation, which I'm sure you will do beautifully because you're an artist, some kind of visual representation of you with an exhibition in the Mia Wolf Gallery.
[00:27:07] And it could be like it could be a stickman drawing that you stick on your fridge. It could be whatever you want it to be. But I'd love you to have it somewhere where you know you're going to see it every day. You're going to walk past it every day. And I would love you to just stop and spend a couple of seconds with it every day, just getting yourself into that headspace of, this is possible for me and making it very obvious in your personal space.
[00:27:37] Lucinda Gaines: Okay.
[00:27:37] Jude Schweppe: How does that sound?
[00:27:39] Lucinda Gaines: That sounds excellent.
[00:27:41] Jude Schweppe: Okay. Do you have an idea in your head of what you might visualize, what you might create? Putting you on the spot now, I know, but I'm curious. Okay. Okay.
[00:27:50] Lucinda Gaines: Um, so. A lot of my work has to do with color and color theory,
[00:27:57] Jude Schweppe: Bye.
[00:27:59] Lucinda Gaines: and even in my background. Um, I've done a lot of work professionally as a remote sensing scientist. And so I'm You're looking at photographs from up above and, you know, taking them and analyzing them, um, through the, the colors that the image shows to you.
[00:28:20] And, um, I think one of the things that really interests me when I was in physics class was learning how cyan. Magenta and yellow make white light. And so my whole proposal was to, to make a room that had different color lights and you turn on and off to kind of like make the white light, you know, but you'd have to have the right combination in order to get that.
[00:28:50] And so that, that, that was my proposal for, um, yeah.
[00:28:57] Jude Schweppe: Amazing. So how are you going to visualize this idea in your home as a reminder that this is your big, hairy, audacious goal?
[00:29:08] Lucinda Gaines: Um, I have a bunch of different, like. Lights, so maybe just making like a not a digital piece, but maybe something that is more so like I turn on different lights and visualize me, um, having an installation and make it like a little diorama of like different things that I would put in a room.
[00:29:39] Jude Schweppe: I love that. I love that. Visualizing yourself on opening night of your gallery, of your exhibition. And spending just just a couple of seconds with it every day and just really starting to absorb this into your body and start to feel it and start to know it and start to see it as part of your future.
[00:30:01] There's something so powerful about that. Um, and the ideas that it could open up for you, you know, as you spend time with this. A little miniature version of what the grander exhibition could look like. Awesome. Okay. Do you mind if we sort of flip back to some more sort of practical business stuff now?
[00:30:22] Is that okay?
[00:30:23] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah, that's fine.
[00:30:24] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So how are you feeling currently about your sales? About sales of your original artwork, sales of your prints, etc?
[00:30:34] Lucinda Gaines: So, right now, um, my Etsy shop is there, but it's non existent. So, I've just been taking the time to rework stuff, um, and then I'm going to launch. So, right now, I, I haven't... I've sold one piece within the last couple of months.
[00:31:02] Jude Schweppe: how many pieces would you like to be selling from your Etsy shop each month?
[00:31:07] Lucinda Gaines: Um, as much as I can get. I would say feasibly, um, probably, let's go 30 sales a month, you know, on prints.
[00:31:21] Jude Schweppe: Okay. 30 sales a month. And is this at your new revised price of 20 per 8 by 10? Yeah. And then upwards. Okay. So what have you been doing currently to... Get yourself out into the world and share your beautiful artwork with people who might like to buy them.
[00:31:43] Lucinda Gaines: Um, I haven't as much, and that's one thing I need to do.
[00:31:49] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:31:50] Lucinda Gaines: I have not been out, um, just because the divorce took so much of my time.
[00:31:55] Jude Schweppe: Of course.
[00:31:56] Lucinda Gaines: trying to, um, set myself up financially and find, you know, full time work. It, it's been pretty exhausting just going through that. And now that that's over, I don't have to, I don't have to focus on that anymore.
[00:32:10] I can start focusing on other things in my life.
[00:32:13] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So, have you given yourself enough time? Do you feel ready to do this now? Do you feel like you need a bit more time to just be? To just be in to process everything you've been through.
[00:32:26] Lucinda Gaines: I have a song that I play a lot. It's by The Metric. It is called Now or Never. And I'll post that every once in a while. I'll post it on social media. Cause it. Like, I'm telling myself it's now or never, like, I, I'm either going to do it or I'm not, you know what I mean? Like, it, yeah, I'm at the point where it has to be now,
[00:32:50] Jude Schweppe: Okay. The time is now.
[00:32:52] Lucinda Gaines: the time is now,
[00:32:53] Jude Schweppe: And your time has come.
[00:32:55] Lucinda Gaines: and my time has come. Yes, exactly.
[00:32:57] Jude Schweppe: I believe you. I really believe you.
[00:33:00] Lucinda Gaines: I,
[00:33:01] Jude Schweppe: is
[00:33:01] Lucinda Gaines: spent a good chunk of time, uh, branding myself as an artist, um, and as a DJ and, um, And I'm going to bring all that together into one big thing that people will know. Hey, there's Lucy, and she's an artist, and she DJs, and, um,
[00:33:25] Jude Schweppe: Amazing. I love that you're a DJ as well. That's just kind of pricked up both of our ears.
[00:33:30] Lucinda Gaines: yeah, and, um, I, I mentioned video, um, production. Um, I have done a couple of videos, because what I want to do is kind of make, um, Artwork that moves.
[00:33:47] Gabe Ratliff: Hmm.
[00:33:49] Jude Schweppe: Amazing. So, I'm curious. Are there any... Other artists in your world that you really admire and you love the way they market their, market their pieces, market themselves, market themselves as artists. Who do you look up to in terms of how they're getting themselves out there?
[00:34:10] Lucinda Gaines: Oh, I have a list of people. I have a list. Um, One is my friend scott. Um, he is currently a meow wolf artist Um, in fact, I I lent him some lab equipment from los alamos national laboratory, which is Now in Meow Wolf as part of his installation. Um, he goes by Mr. Christmas and he does these really wonderful like scenes.
[00:34:42] Um, Of, like, he'll take a, um, a TV and he'll put, like, a camping scene in it and it lights up. And his work is absolutely beautiful and such an inspiration, um, that I'm happy to call him a fellow artist and a, and a friend. So he's one, um, another friend of mine would be Ash Sevilis. Um, I met her, uh, through pancakes and booze.
[00:35:15] Um, that's another place where they, um, show art and, um, offer booze and pancakes that are free and anybody comes in and, and people can show off their art and I did that one year and, um, she's doing a lot of work in the NTF world and, uh,
[00:35:37] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:35:38] Lucinda Gaines: yeah, so she, she's doing well on that regards. Uh, Valerie would be another one, um, Andrew Novak, um, amazing musician and fellow artist and, um, yeah, so I, I have like this small group of people, well no I shouldn't say small group, I have, I have a group of people that I definitely look up to and definitely have been kind of looking at how, how they've done things,
[00:36:09] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So how do they, how do they sell themselves? How do they sell their work?
[00:36:15] Lucinda Gaines: Uh, a lot of them own their own gallery and then, um, a lot of them do like smaller events like, uh, the Cherry Creek Arts Festival, and they get known that way. So I think that's something that I'll have, I'll have to do, I'll have to get out and show my work there.
[00:36:35] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So getting out and about into, you know, the real world as it were, as opposed to the digital world and showing up and bringing your art to different places. Um, are there like a number of different art festivals or fairs or exhibitions or farmers markets or, you know, I'm thinking of all these sort of little artisanal craft, um,
[00:37:00] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah.
[00:37:01] Jude Schweppe: We've got a lot of them where I live in, in Brighton in the UK. Um, could I give you a piece of homework to sit down and make a list of all of the places you could possibly get a little stand or a little stall where you can show up? As you, with all your beautiful color, and show your work.
[00:37:20] Lucinda Gaines: Thank you. I didn't, uh, start wearing yellow until this year. So
[00:37:26] Jude Schweppe: It's gorgeous! It's, and it's a really pretty color yellow as well. I can see why color theory is important to you, and why you've focused in on color
[00:37:33] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah. You see the artwork behind me that
[00:37:35] Jude Schweppe: I can see, and I've been admiring, it is, that's sort of your style, that's your
[00:37:40] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah, that's my style. Yeah.
[00:37:43] Jude Schweppe: It's gorgeous.
[00:37:44] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah. Um, and I've had, um, the two middle ones, the one in the Red and the one in the green and the gold those have been on my Etsy shop.
[00:37:57] Jude Schweppe: Amazing.
[00:37:58] Lucinda Gaines: had prints To sell of those.
[00:38:01] Jude Schweppe: Just out of those. Okay. So if you run through your mind, um, sorry, remind me where you live again, Lucy?
[00:38:09] Lucinda Gaines: I'm in Colorado Um,
[00:38:12] Jude Schweppe: So if you were to sort of do a scan for your brain of all the places you could possibly show up over the summer, while you're still getting your portfolio together for your pitch for your exhibition, uh, which events or places or markets or festivals kind of spring to mind for you?
[00:38:31] Lucinda Gaines: probably start as a local farmer's market would be the first place. Yeah, and To do that. I would probably need to make some physical copies of my digital work So that I where I have something to sell.
[00:38:49] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:38:50] Lucinda Gaines: that that's a step.
[00:38:52] Jude Schweppe: First step, first step farmer's market. So paint the picture of the farmer's market for us. What kind of farmer's market is it that you're planning to go to?
[00:39:02] Lucinda Gaines: Um, I like the Highlands, um, farmers market. Um, so that's probably the first place I would go to. And then there's, uh, one, um, the chair Creek won't be a big one as well.
[00:39:18] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:39:19] Lucinda Gaines: But finding out a cost and doing booths and all that fun stuff is something that's probably another homework piece for me.
[00:39:27] Jude Schweppe: Okay. So finding out who you need to contact, what it would cost you to have a booth, to have a stall, and do you feel like you have sufficient number of pieces to take with you to start selling or is that something you need to look at as well?
[00:39:43] Lucinda Gaines: It's something I need to look at as well. I do have, um, a place where I get my prints from, and they're relatively affordable to get them. So, it just, yeah, just putting a little bit of investment money aside. In order to do that, it's probably my next step
[00:40:03] Jude Schweppe: Awesome. So which of the two would you prefer to see yourself at as your first, your first exhibition outdoors?
[00:40:12] Lucinda Gaines: outdoors. Um, I, I just go with the Highlands first. Uh, I used to live in that neighborhood. And so, uh, like every Sunday, me and the ex would go and go get our fruits and vegetables for the week there. And it brings a lot of good memories. And, and, um, it's not really a huge farmer's market, but it's not really small either.
[00:40:42] I, I just feels like it would be. A really good area for me to show my work
[00:40:49] Jude Schweppe: And a good first step.
[00:40:51] Lucinda Gaines: good. First step. Yeah,
[00:40:53] Jude Schweppe: So let's, let's take ourselves forward. Is it on a Saturday or Sunday or both? It's
[00:40:59] Lucinda Gaines: it's on a Sunday
[00:41:01] Jude Schweppe: on a Sunday. Okay. So it's Saturday night before your first farmer's market. You're ready to go. You've got all of your pieces ready, packed up. You know what your stall is going to look like. How are you feeling?
[00:41:14] Lucinda Gaines: nervous. I will be nervous. I will always be nervous. Probably before every big event that I ever have.
[00:41:24] Jude Schweppe: Okay. And what are the nerves about?
[00:41:27] Lucinda Gaines: um, I think the feel the fear of failure is probably the big thing. Uh, self doubt. Like, am I good enough? Like, are people with me? Gonna be interested. I don't know,
[00:41:43] Gabe Ratliff: I ask a quick question related to that? Do you feel like this? Cause this is very, very common. Do you feel like you and your art are the same?
[00:42:00] Lucinda Gaines: yes, very, very personally attached
[00:42:03] Gabe Ratliff: Yep.
[00:42:04] Lucinda Gaines: and it's hard to separate that.
[00:42:08] Gabe Ratliff: I, I have a client who has this same, uh, struggle and it actually, we've been working together for months and. It took him, oh man, I think it took him like three months before he could, and this, and now this, he's around 50, and he's been an artist for his whole life, same as you, um, but he couldn't call himself an artist because he held himself to such a high standard.
[00:42:48] So that was the first hurdle. He now considers himself an artist and he, he's already had, uh, similarly, he's already had three exhibits this year and it's, this was by May. He had already had three. So he'd already beat his goal for the year. So that's what can happen with this kind of work. Right. And I also just want to invite you to, to explore the idea. You are not your work because this was another challenge that he had to work through. It was like kind of the next one of detaching from his work that he is not his work. And this is a very, very common for us as artists, whether that's with music, whether that's with, you know, visual, whatever it might be, anything where we're creating what it's food, right?
[00:43:38] If you're a chef and you make food for people and you're actually feeding them, you know, there's so many different ways where we want to show up in that way. Right. We want to do our best. And part of what I'm hearing there is there's all, I'm hearing so many wonderful things. You have all of this work you've done.
[00:43:56] You've got all this great experience. You've got this awesome network of people. Did I hear you say Valerie is one of your friends and she's also who owns the gallery.
[00:44:08] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah.
[00:44:08] Gabe Ratliff: Same Valerie. Okay.
[00:44:10] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah,
[00:44:11] Gabe Ratliff: That seems kind of like awesome.
[00:44:17] Lucinda Gaines: I know. Like every Thursday she gets together with other artists and, and does artwork with them. And, um, I've been needing to go. Um, and I almost went last Thursday. I had, I had my art supplies in my car. Um, I just, you know, got off of work and I was like, I just need. Yeah, just need to, you know,
[00:44:43] Gabe Ratliff: What held you back?
[00:44:46] Lucinda Gaines: myself, that's pretty much it and just feeling overwhelmed and just, I could come home and create art or I could go out and create art.
[00:44:58] Um, I just, I think I need to get out. I just need to go out and, um, meet people, talk to people. Relate with people, um, reconnect with a lot of my friends because I just, I haven't and that, that's my own fault. That's just totally me and how I process my pain and I, I tend to just want to be. By myself and that's sometimes that solitude is very healing, right?
[00:45:38] Like you're, you're sitting with your own thoughts and you're processing your pain. And you're like, okay, well, I'm going to take this, take these emotions and I'm going to challenge myself and do something new.
[00:45:52] Gabe Ratliff: That was the distinction. That was the distinction I was waiting for. You were talking about thinking by yourself and processing your pain,
[00:46:01] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah.
[00:46:02] Gabe Ratliff: and you nailed it at the end because you talked about the distinction of going out and doing, and that's where the power happens, right? Because that's when you're creating, you're doing something.
[00:46:13] When you're, when you're going to these things, you're, you're, and I, I got it, right? Like you're like, I got everything's in the car. Work is done. I'm going to go create. Fuck that, I'm staying inside. What are you know, right? You're crazy. What? I'm going to pour myself a glass of wine. I'm going to chill out and create, you know.
[00:46:36] I'm going to watch some Schitt's Creek or something, you know, right. You're going to like, you know, pull
[00:46:39] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah.
[00:46:40] Gabe Ratliff: So I heard that, but, but you even said your own distinction. It was going out and doing something. So that's, that's what I really wanted to kind of get to is, and this is, you know, this is something that you could just slowly build up.
[00:46:52] I mean, that's already the way to kind of create a good positive habit. Right. Is to just put the stuff in the car, go sit in the car, right? Just go sit in the car. Be like, okay, well, and then I'm going to drive and maybe you don't go, maybe just drive to the place where she has friends over and maybe you don't get out.
[00:47:12] But then maybe the next week you actually get out. And you're like, okay, I'm going to go in, you know, and you could just give yourself that space of like, okay, I'm going to just like, just small, Jude and I say this all the time, small, humble steps, because it's not about, it's not about the short game. This is a long game, right?
[00:47:32] Because this is what you want for your life. It's not about. It's not how it rolls. I mean, we look at all the history we've got from painters and artists, right? This shit does not happen overnight.
[00:47:46] Lucinda Gaines: Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, one of my biggest inspirations is.
[00:47:51] Gabe Ratliff: Hmm.
[00:47:52] Jude Schweppe: Rita! Wow.
[00:47:53] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah, yeah. Um, definitely a big fan of her work. But this book is awesome. Like this, um, amazing. So
[00:48:08] Gabe Ratliff: What's the book for people listening?
[00:48:11] Lucinda Gaines: um, book by Sebastian Perez and Benjamin Larco. So they took, uh, the story of Frida and her work, but they expanded on it. Sorry, I'm, uh, trying to, um, Open up a page,
[00:48:30] Jude Schweppe: Wow.
[00:48:31] Lucinda Gaines: okay, but like you turn the page and it shows a cutout and it shows another variation of the work.
[00:48:41] Gabe Ratliff: Wow.
[00:48:41] Lucinda Gaines: so I absolutely love this book for that reason because, um, it shows all the possibilities of things you can do. Like,
[00:48:51] Gabe Ratliff: Hmm. Wow.
[00:49:02] Jude Schweppe: That's a
[00:49:02] Lucinda Gaines: hover over it, yeah. Um, and I think that what gets me, and like I said, uh, when I create my artwork, I may just show, you know, online, one, one image, out of the 50 that I spent the night before creating.
[00:49:23] Gabe Ratliff: Wow. So you're, you're a powerhouse.
[00:49:25] Lucinda Gaines: I'm a powerhouse. Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, sometimes my work will start off and it'll be physical. Um, I will take an old map of Romania and I'll draw on top of it.
[00:49:44] Gabe Ratliff: sweet.
[00:49:45] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah. And then
[00:49:49] Gabe Ratliff: So I have a, I have another question for you.
[00:49:52] Lucinda Gaines: of me and I'll put it on top and I'll take a picture and then I will go through and do, oops, sorry.
[00:50:00] Gabe Ratliff: That's okay.
[00:50:03] Lucinda Gaines: And, um, yeah.
[00:50:07] Gabe Ratliff: So I have a,
[00:50:07] Lucinda Gaines: I'll have variations of this.
[00:50:09] Gabe Ratliff: I have another question for you.
[00:50:11] Lucinda Gaines: Yes.
[00:50:13] Gabe Ratliff: Are you ready to show your work to the world? Okay.
[00:50:17] Lucinda Gaines: Yes. That's a most certain note.
[00:50:23] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:50:24] Gabe Ratliff: Mm hmm.
[00:50:25] Lucinda Gaines: It's just getting there. It's taking the,
[00:50:29] Jude Schweppe: Humble steps.
[00:50:30] Gabe Ratliff: Mm
[00:50:31] Lucinda Gaines: yeah,
[00:50:33] Jude Schweppe: Humble steps. And just one after the other. One humble step after the other. So that you don't allow yourself to become overwhelmed. And it doesn't feel like you're taking on too much because you're, you know, you're still recovering. You're still recovering from one of the most traumatic things that a human being will go through, you know.
[00:50:50] Lucinda Gaines: don't, yeah, I don't wish divorce on my worst enemy. It's just, it is not a fun experience for anyone.
[00:50:57] Jude Schweppe: No, and so your nervous system needs time, your heart needs time, your soul needs time to all come back into alignment. Um, and while there are times to push and there are times to really stretch yourself into that zone of discomfort, personally, my opinion is that when you've gone through something like that, you've gone through a loss or a grief and you've gone through all of those things, you take it slowly and it is completely okay to create From the comfort zone and to heal from the comfort zone and to listen to what you need while you're in this zone.
[00:51:31] It feels safe and honor that you know, because you know, like you've said, this is a lifelong pursuit. This is a lifelong practice, and you don't have to push yourself into any more pain right now if it doesn't feel good for you to do so. I do invite you to honor that. And just to be where you are, you know, um, and just, just to come back around to the topic at the beginning, it kind of feels like we've segued into this quite nicely.
[00:52:01] You talked about wanting to find inspiration from your pain, Lucy, having sort of talked through some practical stuff and some plans and some visions, what feels like the sort of manifestation, the creative or artistic manifestation. this pain that will allow you to process it and allow you to look at it in a more inspirational way.
[00:52:27] What would you love to do?
[00:52:32] Lucinda Gaines: Do you create and let it go, let it go out into the world? Um, I have been so, um, within myself and within my own thoughts um, I really hadn't shared what I've been going through with a whole lot of people that I know. And, um, I think when people see my art, They'll, they'll know. They'll, they'll see.
[00:53:01] It'll come through. Um, I know a lot of it is my self portrait, and um, there's a sense of beauty, but there's also a sense of sadness because I've had to... Um, sit with myself and, um, just try to do the best for me and wake up every day and just keep going. And sometimes I don't, you know, I just want to sleep.
[00:53:32] I want to be a cat and I can't do that.
[00:53:36] Jude Schweppe: Yeah. This has just popped into my head. Um, and you can say, absolutely not. But is your exhibition, the manifestation and the process, and your way of processing everything that you've gone through, is that the inspiration?
[00:53:56] Lucinda Gaines: I believe so. Yeah.
[00:53:58] Jude Schweppe: Yeah.
[00:53:59] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah.
[00:54:01] Jude Schweppe: So you are healing through the creative process. then you are sharing that healing and the art that has resulted from that healing in a space where you invite people in to bear witness and to relate possibly and to see you and to see what it is to be human and to go through pain and to see themselves potentially
[00:54:32] Lucinda Gaines: And hopefully inspire, um,
[00:54:37] Jude Schweppe: Yeah.
[00:54:38] Lucinda Gaines: so people could, um, take inspiration and start doing their own thing and start, you know. Um, I think RS therapy is totally something that needs to be implemented in life, because I mean, we, these last couple of years, you know, surviving the pandemic, um, I mean, we survived a pandemic, like, our whole lives, you think that, oh, hey, you're going in lockdown, you can't, can't see other people because they could possibly kill you.
[00:55:19] Um, absolutely. Living in such crazy times and we made it through the other side, and I don't want to see some society go back to where we don't care. Like, we're just living our own lives and we don't care about anybody else. Um, we see all the worst effects, you know, of mental illness and people not getting the help that they need. Just, yeah, I could go on a big, huge rant about that. Um, and that's another story I could probably tell as well.
[00:56:04] Jude Schweppe: And you can put that into your art, you can tell that story with your artwork. Lucy, you are an inspiration.
[00:56:11] Gabe Ratliff: Totally.
[00:56:12] Jude Schweppe: You truly are an inspiration.
[00:56:14] Gabe Ratliff: Mm hmm. Mm
[00:56:17] Jude Schweppe: what's coming to me. Um, where are we now with everything? How are you feeling about what we've talked through and clarity, some steps to take? How are you feeling about it all?
[00:56:31] Lucinda Gaines: I feel a lot better. Thank you. I mean, uh, and, and thank you, Gabe, for, um, inviting me. And it's such a pleasure to, um, talk with you, Jude. Um, so I, I will definitely be listening to the Artful, um, podcast. And, um, Yeah.
[00:56:51] Jude Schweppe: Well, we've, Gabe has been nodding, uh, noting down, rather, the sort of little homework challenges that I've been throwing out to you. I've given you quite a few. There's probably about four on there.
[00:57:01] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah.
[00:57:03] Jude Schweppe: These are all little steps that you take when you feel ready to take them. And I'm such a believer in the power of action, and it only has to be small.
[00:57:12] It only has to be minuscule, but you just keep taking the action as you feel ready to take it. And when you feel like you have the energy and you have the resources to push through, and actually, you know what? I'm gonna go to that class. I'm gonna have my stuff in the car, I'm gonna drive to the class, and then I'm gonna get out of the car, you know, pushing through when it feels appropriate.
[00:57:36] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah,
[00:57:36] Jude Schweppe: like you have the energy to do it.
[00:57:39] Lucinda Gaines: I should always have art supplies in my car.
[00:57:42] Jude Schweppe: just in case.
[00:57:45] Lucinda Gaines: There'd be times where I'll have, like, some down time, and, like, I'm like, I wish I had some art supplies, because I really want to draw right now. Like...
[00:57:54] Gabe Ratliff: hmm.
[00:57:56] Jude Schweppe: You need a satchel. You need a satchel that goes everywhere with you. And has some...
[00:58:01] Lucinda Gaines: Oh, yeah.
[00:58:03] Jude Schweppe: Um, just going back to the farmer's market idea. Could we push you to set a date by which time you would like to have had your first stall in the Highland market?
[00:58:16] Lucinda Gaines: Oh, gosh. July, maybe? That's pretty soon, though. That's like, yeah. It's coming up very fast.
[00:58:28] Jude Schweppe: Okay. If somebody was to offer you a stall tomorrow, would you be ready?
[00:58:34] Lucinda Gaines: Um, if it was like in a couple weeks, maybe. Yeah, I would still have to get prints done. Yeah.
[00:58:44] Jude Schweppe: Okay.
[00:58:45] Lucinda Gaines: And that's like a, a turnaround of a week or so, so,
[00:58:49] Jude Schweppe: So this can be the trial run for your gallery exhibition in October.
[00:58:58] Lucinda Gaines: okay.
[00:58:59] Jude Schweppe: Yeah.
[00:59:00] Lucinda Gaines: Yeah, sorry I laugh and I giggle, but I'm just like, oh my gosh, it's a lot.
[00:59:05] Jude Schweppe: You can do this. You can do this. And I really believe you want to do this.
[00:59:11] Gabe Ratliff: And you have a network, right? Like this is something that I was, my client, I mentioned earlier, I've, I've helped kind of nurture him to lean into, encouraged him to lean into his network. Right. You missed mentioned Mr. Christmas, you mentioned Valerie. Um, you mentioned, uh, Ash, Andrew, right. I mean, Andrew's a legend, but there's, you know, there's, there's, there's I mean, he's a legend.
[00:59:37] Um, and you know, that's enough, right? It doesn't have to be an army. It just has to be people who get you, people that you get right. That you're, you're, they're authentically supporting each other. And there's not this like competition, right? Cause competition is bullshit. It's, it's really right. We're all artists.
[00:59:58] We're all creating and you're coming from such a personal, deep, connected place, as we were talking about earlier, you were saying, yeah, I have this connection to my art and myself. And so heard, and it's also like, it's, that's, that's the, that's the beauty of it, right? It's, it's your unique message that we were just sharing with you that we're inspired by.
[01:00:21] And a lot of people will and are already, right? And so it's just connecting with those people so that they can help be accountability partners. That they can just like, you can just be like, Oh my God, I just am totally stuck today. Or I had this amazing breakthrough. Like it's, I love to remind people to enjoy the journey, right?
[01:00:43] To enjoy the ups and to just embrace the detours and those downs. Right. And just be like, yeah, it's part of the fucking process. This is life. Life is not always dreamy. Like we just, as you just said, we just went through some not dreamy times. People went cray cray,
[01:01:03] Lucinda Gaines: people want crazy, uh, you know, being a high risk person. I stayed home and I, I worked on my art and
[01:01:14] Gabe Ratliff: What a gift.
[01:01:16] Lucinda Gaines: yeah, um, yeah, I, I want to say something, but it's negative and I'm not going to go there. So, yeah. And, and that time, honestly, that was, that was a glimpse into what I wanted for my life. That, that, that, to me, 2020, 2021, that, that was my, my big show that says, Hey, I can do this. I can make money from this. I can support myself from this. I just need to keep going.
[01:01:55] Gabe Ratliff: That's literally
[01:01:56] Jude Schweppe: summed it up. You've, you've summed it up perfectly, Lucy. I don't think we could add anything more to that. I believe in myself. I can make money from this. I just need to keep going. And we are behind you a hundred percent.
[01:02:09] Lucinda Gaines: Thank you.
[01:02:10] Jude Schweppe: and we'll
[01:02:11] Gabe Ratliff: the message kids. Rewind it. Listen to that again.
[01:02:16] Jude Schweppe: We'll be checking in to, uh, to see how you're doing.
[01:02:19] Um, we'll be checking in on the homework because we can see it'll all be shared on a Google doc for you. And then you can
[01:02:24] Lucinda Gaines: Oh, okay. Whoa, I got a Google Doc? Wow.
[01:02:28] Jude Schweppe: and if it's okay, we'll just, we'll just email and see how things are going. And, you know, we're always here if you want to run anything by us or just get. anything else we can support you with today, Lucy?
[01:02:43] Lucinda Gaines: I think, um, that is the majority. The bulk of it. Thank you for letting me come on and share my experience. I know it was not the whole story, but You know, it was enough to say, this is, this is what I've been working on. This is what I've been going through.
[01:03:04] Jude Schweppe: Okay, maybe we'll have you back for part two and you can share some more.
[01:03:08] Lucinda Gaines: Okay.
[01:03:10] Jude Schweppe: Yeah, season two. We're booking you for season two.
[01:03:13] Gabe Ratliff: Boom.
[01:03:13] Lucinda Gaines: Okay. All right.
[01:03:15] Jude Schweppe: Awesome. Thank you so much, Lucy, for sharing your time with us and sharing your story and we will be watching and hopefully we will speak again and the very best luck with the farmer's market.
[01:03:26] Lucinda Gaines: Thank you.
[01:03:27] Jude Schweppe: And that brings us to the end of another episode of the Artful Experience.
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